Gantz Spoilers

[Xandra Kitee]

Argh ! such a cliffhanger ! I would never have thought that ! >_<


And Nishi knows Izumi ! Yay ! For once, just for once, my guess (hope?) was right. Oo

[newleaf]

I'm guessing he was just thinking out loud and next chapter he'll be like "I CHOOSE NUMBER TWO!" (or three)
either that or Gantz won't let him go for some odd reason

if he actually does leave the game... I'm dropping this manga... seriously
the whole story up till now has been centred around Kei... if he leaves it just makes all the character development he has made fkn pointless (we can call it character development when compared to the other props err.. I mean.. characters in the story)

looks like we won't find out until 2 weeks time anyways (the mangaka is taking another vacation according to the note on the last page of 220)

anyways.. like I said.. if he wipes his memory he'll be left with no recollection of his relationship with Tae since he started dating her after becoming a Gantzer

[Xandra Kitee]

hum well, yeah. But I don't recall Izumi talking about a hole of weeks/months in the memory of his past ?

We know so few. Maybe only the GantZ related stuff are erased. And he started to date Tae normally. But well, such theories are pointless.

I also believe he can't leave gantZ like that or rather... Gantz won't let him quit.


But even if he leaves, I won't drop it. Izumi came back after all. ^^

And the deal with his brother somehow still links him to Gantz anyway.

[newleaf]

Izumi came before the advent of the three options
let's face it.. Oku screwed up when he introduced the three options
Izumi isn't going to quit of his own volition... he has stated many times that he loves it in there and it's the only place where he "...truly feels alive." blah blah etc.
there is also a scene where Izumi recalls a mission he was involved in (this is prior to becoming a Gantzer again and when 100 points only meant freedom) and we even see a lil flashback image of it
this contradicts the whole memory wipe thing... if he had picked option 1 then he wouldn't be able to recall things like that
the fact that he seems to recall Nishi is another thing to consider... if his memory were wiped hth would he recognize him?

now as for Kei... even if the memories were selectively erased, ALL his thoughts when he was with Tae would have to have been "Gantz free" (which is virtually impossible given the circumstances) else he'd recall those memories and subsequently remember having Gantz-related thoughts

siigh.. this is why Gantz should've finished with the Buddha arc

[Xandra Kitee]

er... No way. You guys never think of us. End with the Buddha arc = no Izumi (let's face it, Kurono's not that much of a looker. <_<)


More seriously, if it ended at that point, it would have left me exactly the same feeling as Blood the movie.

come-kill-survive : so what ?

I've never been bothered by the three choices. Since GantZ seems to want Kurono, seems to want to test him even more, the three choices logically follow Tae's death. It's all about choices since the beginning.

Making selfish choices or selfless choices. Be free or save more people. Choice to get involved or to be left alone. Help Katou to save the drunkard or not.

And with his brother being a "vampire", there MUST be something about Kurono other than his reclessness and gut reaction. We don't even know why he doesn't get along with his family. He sure does not look like his bro anyway.

As for the wipe of memory, I wouldn't dare to say anything than "maybe". We know that Gantz can make mistakes (Kei the girl). Though that also could be on purpose.

Maybe I'm waiting too much but I still believe that every piece of the puzzle will fall in its place eventually.

[newleaf]

It's all about choices since the beginning.

snip, snip
well... when I started reading Gantz it was about a few things... mainly it was about the weirdness and the prospect of answers

I'll admit that the weirdness is still around, but it's a different flavour now to what was found in the earlier missions
instead of silly/weird aliens, Oku has gone for more badass/weird aliens
I really enjoyed the comedic aspect in the earlier chapters.. maybe it's just me

as for the answers... I'd already given up hope on there being any REAL answers by the time the Buddha arc ended
Kei and co. have just sorta settled into their life of freakish alien hunting without seeming to care about the "why" anymore

Edit:
I don't really have anything against the three rules (tho I did prefer it when 100 points meant freedom and every1 scored low)
my complaint was that the three rules contradict some of the happenings in the earlier chapters (such as the examples concerning Izumi)

[Xandra Kitee]

To me, Kurono chosing to bring Nishi back proves that wrong. What purpose other than understanding could it have ?



And yeah, I also really miss the Tanaka aliens. Yuzu-kun ! (was that what they're always saying ? ^^)



[edit : about the three rules, I just decided that GantZ could change the rules as he pleased so i'm not really bothered. Maybe I'm totally wrong. Dunno. it's just what I think.]

[newleaf]

To me, Kurono chosing to bring Nishi back proves that wrong. What purpose other than understanding could it have ?

I thought they brought him back because he knows more than anyone else, not because he knows everything... and I always figured that the main reason to bring him back was not for understanding Gantz, but for knowledge on the weapons and the features etc. (none of which answers the "why" that I was talking about)

[edit : about the three rules, I just decided that GantZ could change the rules as he pleased so i'm not really bothered. Maybe I'm totally wrong. Dunno. it's just what I think.]

if that were true then Nishi would be surprised at being resurrected, but he seems to treat it with indifference... as if he has seen it a zillion times before
also when the three rules made their way into the story, Izumi seemed to know all about them

[Xandra Kitee]

I'll have to read that moment again because I don't remember Izumi's reaction. As for Nishi, he's a real psycho. His reactions are nothing but normal.

But funny, we agree that Nishi might give informations but we do not agree on the kind of information. I'd imagined it would be more about motives, means... well something more general. Because so far they managed to learn on their own how to use what was at their disposal : the suits, the weapons, the vehicle. And Izumi even knew where to find and how to use the katana immediately (that, he really seems to remember at least ^^).

I thought maybe Nishi knows something about the aliens or the vampires or even about GantZ. Well, stuff like that.

Surviving, Kurono can manage (and Nishi would be the last one to help anyway). But to get out of it, they need to know what's really going on, I think.

[newleaf]

well.. u might be right
it'd be a total cop out if u ask me and I wouldn't like it
how Nishi managed to obtain information like that is what I'd want to know

anyways.. I always thought Nishi had the low down on all the Gantz equipment and how it was used properly
recall the fight with the bird aliens where he was zipping around at lightning speeds in invisible mode
sure he lost, but that's cuz his suit died on him and no one would help (and he got owned by plot ces lol)
I just imagined he would be able to tell them things they didn't already know about the gear and it's uses

I had another thought..
maybe Kei will quit Gantz and get killed by his bro (or something) and come right back in
so I'll give it a few more chapters if he does end up leaving

[Xandra Kitee]

how Nishi managed to obtain information like that is what I'd want to know

Dunno either. But even if he's not totally right in the head, he seems to be a clever sneaky little bastard (sry, but he is >_>). I would not bet a single cent on what he might or might not know. But for the weapons and all, I agree with you. He seems to like to play with them even when he's not on a mission. Seems like a safe guess to imagine that he knows them very well.


(lol, in 24h my TP's gone up to 62.062. I've never had this high before. O.o)

[Mystic Thunder]

im still surprised that Kurono picked freedom.

[newleaf]

im still surprised that Kurono picked freedom.

"I'm guessing he was just thinking out loud and next chapter he'll be like "I CHOOSE NUMBER TWO!" (or three)
either that or Gantz won't let him go for some odd reason

I had another thought..
maybe Kei will quit Gantz and get killed by his bro (or something) and come right back in
so I'll give it a few more chapters if he does end up leaving"

I'm pretty sure one of those three things will happen
either way.. it's not like being free would really help him live a happy life with Tae.. every1 can see the Gantzers/aliens now and the vampires recognize him as a Gantzer

[Mystic Thunder]

so did you come up with Gantzers?

[newleaf]

nup..
seems to be the thing to call em
not sure if it's a fan term or if Oku has actually used it
maybe from the handbook or the game or something

[Xandra Kitee]

Dunno either. I don't even know where I saw it first.


Only thing I know for sure is that Oku is a sadist. Leaving with such a cliffhanger, seriously ? >_<

[newleaf]

well... looks like he is free
and thank God that ALL his memories are erased
if Oku let another plot hole slip I woulda screamed

anyways... I'm actually insanely happy that he is back to his old (interesting) self
he became a bore after he started imitating Katou

so anyways.. I think he'll be dying and going back to Gantz

[Delirious]

Kei got freed? so Gantz is over?

[newleaf]

heeeell no
Oku is gonna milk this cow dry

Kei is freed, Tae got resurrected, but their memories are wiped so they don't remember anything (basically Kei is the same as he was before getting hit by the train)

Kei's bro is one of those vampire aliens tho
so I'm assuming that his bro is gonna kill him (or something) and then - BAM - Kei will be back in Gantz

there will probably be a few missions without Kei and he'll come back later or something
that's my guess

[Delirious]

damn it i should really get back to reading Gantz..damn busy school life

it looked so interesting now

[Xandra Kitee]

Noooooo ! Tae-chan ! This is sooooooooooo wrong ! T_T

*too shocked to comment any further*

[Mystic Thunder]

DAMMIT....i still dont have the new chapter....GRRRRR!!!

[maikurobu]

NOOOOOOOO!!!! He's arrogant again!!! WHY?!?! * Passes out *

[Mystic Thunder]

because he doesnt remmeber anything. so can anyone give me a link or something?

[newleaf]

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