Japan wants to kill fansubbing

[desterion]

http://tinyurl.com/2awmuh

The Japanese government issued a formal statement of requests to the government of the United States on regulatory reform and market competition policy on October 18, and included a request for the United States to help stop the unauthorized reproduction and distribution of Japanese animation online. Specifically, the formal statement mentions the spread of Japanese animation and other materials on video-sharing sites and peer-to-peer file-sharing networks.

According to Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the distribution of copyrighted materials in the United States has increasingly damaged the creative industries of Japan. Despite frequent requests to remove unauthorized material from sites with user-submitted videos, the ministry says the fundamental problem remains unresolved for the foreseeable future. The ministry also says that the high legal costs and complex procedures of copyright infringement cases against peer-to-peer file-sharing are issues.

Japanese copyright holders have been sending increasing numbers of requests to remove unauthorized material from video-sharing sites such as Google's YouTube, and anime is its own category in several sites — inside and outside the United States — that link to file-sharing networks such as BitTorrent. The issues in the statement of requests were discussed in the fourth Japan-U.S. Trade Forum meeting which was held on October 18 in Tokyo.


how the hell does it hurt them?

[Lucky-7]

blah blah blah, same shit we see every 3 years. Stuff pops up on forum and some flame wars later everyone is back subbing and raping bots.

You cannot stop piracy, anything you say to discourage it will be taken as a challenge.

[desterion]

Yeah, that's pretty much how it is. The fansubbing community has grown so large there pretty much isn't anything they could do to stop it. When they do, the groups go underground and do ninja releases under a different name.

[zellmer]

People and countries view copyright infringement as a problem!?!?!?
/sarcasm

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Japan and every other country in the world that's not 3rd world.

[silverace99]

Does japan really expect to make so much money off anime dvd's in the US?

Not to mention it's not like going to the movies. With movies I can watch the film and then decide if I want the dvd later on. What makes them think I would buy an anime dvd before I even know if it's worth my money?

[Komataguri]

Gee...I wonder what made anime such a big industry in America.


It certainly wasn't all the people in their basements working hard translating and subtitling anime and distributing via home made VHS subs, and later Internet file sharing.


Perish the thought.

[mrharvest]

There's a few Japanese companies that do the Western releases themselves. Like Bandai / Sunrise. Which also happens to be one of the largest companies in the business. Which means they have quite a bit of leverage with the government. Which means – you know where this is going.

Oh, and as a funny anecdote. I know one bloke from another forum who thinks of himself as a casual anime viewer. Which means he doesn't watch fansubs. However he has over 700 bought anime dvds.

[KasugaSan]

ooh...scary [/sarcasm]

[Ris]

i knew this would happen the day i invented the fansubbing community

[emetic]

Oh, and as a funny anecdote. I know one bloke from another forum who thinks of himself as a casual anime viewer. Which means he doesn't watch fansubs. However he has over 700 bought anime dvds.

Yeah, I have known a few people like that. The cool anime club I used to be in had a president who was very anti-fansub.. and she had a few friends the same. So yeah, there were people around with huge bookshelves packed full of dvds. It's weird. I got tired of waiting a year or so for the releases to make it to Region 4 though ._. so I've never been much of a collector.

[desterion]

If you like fansubs... don't ever think about wandering over to the ANN forums.

[Komataguri]

Oh, and as a funny anecdote. I know one bloke from another forum who thinks of himself as a casual anime viewer. Which means he doesn't watch fansubs. However he has over 700 bought anime dvds.

Yeah, I have known a few people like that. The cool anime club I used to be in had a president who was very anti-fansub.. and she had a few friends the same. So yeah, there were people around with huge bookshelves packed full of dvds. It's weird. I got tired of waiting a year or so for the releases to make it to Region 4 though ._. so I've never been much of a collector.

When I saw anime club, I was expecting a comment about Genshiken..oh well

[silverace99]

Oh, and as a funny anecdote. I know one bloke from another forum who thinks of himself as a casual anime viewer. Which means he doesn't watch fansubs. However he has over 700 bought anime dvds.

Yeah, I have known a few people like that. The cool anime club I used to be in had a president who was very anti-fansub.. and she had a few friends the same. So yeah, there were people around with huge bookshelves packed full of dvds. It's weird. I got tired of waiting a year or so for the releases to make it to Region 4 though ._. so I've never been much of a collector.

Is it just me or do fansubs typically have less confusing translations than official releases?

[emetic]

Is it just me or do fansubs typically have less confusing translations than official releases?

Yah.. better quality subs in terms of fonts and such too.

[KasugaSan]

not many ppl care much about copyright in my country... :(

thai ppl just collect stuff in a wrong way lolz

[Roy-Kr]

Is it just me or do fansubs typically have less confusing translations than official releases?

My biggest reason for not buying anime DVDs is that there's a high risk of getting shitty translations. If there was a way of checking sub quality like you can with fansubs, it's possible that i'd consider buying some DVDs.

I think fansubs do a better job because they're fans and not just some non-caring person who gets paid to translate something without having to worry about anyone finding something wrong with it because no-one else who's on the project knows the language.

[zellmer]

Is it just me or do fansubs typically have less confusing translations than official releases?

Yah.. better quality subs in terms of fonts and such too.

You mean plain old yellow or white fonts in times new roman with beyond engrish/completely wrong subs aren't worth 40 bucks!?!?!

Heh...

[shrag]

not for 4-6 eps -.- they never fills the dvds here

[Komataguri]

not for 4-6 eps -.- they never fills the dvds here

thats not as bad as the FLCL dvds...2 episodes per disk...35 dollars a disk.

[desterion]

Pretty much the entire sub script for a DVD release is the exact same as the watered down dub script. Meaning they change meanings and cut out a whole lot. I don't speak japanese, but I can full well tell when they say one thing, and the subs say something different.

[BelkanAce]

as far as i remember the fan subs animes are shown on japanese tv, yes?

If they can watch for free, so should i. Freedom and Equality for everyone and stuff like that.


I bought 7 Anime series on DVD in my life and every single one of them sucked with shitty dubs and subs. No more, thank you.

[volyund]

as far as i remember the fan subs animes are shown on japanese tv, yes?

If they can watch for free, so should i. Freedom and Equality for everyone and stuff like that.

No, that doesn't hold because they have to sit through commercials and you don't. NOTHING is free.

[silverace99]

as far as i remember the fan subs animes are shown on japanese tv, yes?

If they can watch for free, so should i. Freedom and Equality for everyone and stuff like that.

No, that doesn't hold because they have to sit through commercials and you don't. NOTHING is free.

Time is not a commodity her voly. It's about the paying of money period. And as far as that is concerned it is free to the japanese viewer (short of stuff that goes on pay channels like standalone complex of course).

The anime offerings on US tv are weak. And the dubs are painful to the ear >_<

[emetic]

No, advertising is a very important point. Advertisers pay all the broadcasting fees... the tv networks pay the animation companies for rights to play the anime so they can make money through advertising during the show.
The animation companies fund making the anime through network broadcasting fees, dvd sales and merchandising.

I still guess that no one is really losing money through fansubbing, unless it's less likely that people will buy dvds overseas if they've already seen the fansubs. Which is quite likely imho.

[KunJinky]

Taxes pay for terrestrial and there are public broadcast too, like nhk. So people there are paying.

emmy, all the late night shows pay for the time slot, and rely heavily on dvd sales to profit.

but w/e... does anyone really care to begin with?